It’s what we tell our own people and clients: it might feel a little ugly and uncertain out there right now. We’re in it, we’re right there with you.

And we don’t want to hide it, it’s going to be challenging for a while here.

But it’s also going to pass.

Nothing is dead, or past the point of no return.

We are just in a trough, and if we know anything about how these cycles typically work, it’s only a matter of time before the best and brightest of us figure out how to move things forward again.

When might that be and what do we need to keep an eye on as markets shift and green shoots continue to appear?

Avison Young Chair and CEO Mark Rose discusses this and more with NAIOP President and CEO Marc Selvitelli on NAIOP’s podcast Inside CRE:

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